Monday, May 4

Crossing the line

**Warning: This is a religious rant and may offend some people. I apologize in advance if it offends you, but I feel I must get some feedback.

Is there such a thing as taking your religion too far? Perhaps shoving it down someone's throat is a bit too much? Don't get me wrong, I believe in witnessing to people and spreading God's word, but I think there is an imaginary line that can be crossed when you say too much, do too much, and get to the point where you are forcing your beliefs on someone.

Saturday night some friends and I went to dinner at a restaurant in an area of town called Five Points. Five Points is the college area, complete with bars that are mostly frequented by college kids. Although the bars are mostly the college-aged crowd, there are quite a few good restaurants, one of which we dined at, and we decided after dinner we'd walk across the street to one of the bars. Well, outside on the corner were a group of people I generally refer to as "bible beaters" (Urban Dictionary says a bible beater is one who takes his religion to radical extremes and usually knocks on your door or stands on a corner trying to get people to convert to xyz religion) The man below resembles one of the men from Saturday night (just so you get the idea of what I am talking about):

They yell at people walking by, hold up signs that say things like, "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is life eternal." Now, don't get me wrong, I fully agree with this verse. However, I do not think that their style of witnessing is effective. They're generally yelling at drunk college kids walking from bar to bar. Often times, people retaliate and yell some not-so-nice things. I usually try to ignore them. I am a Christian and I feel like if I am enjoying a few drinks in moderation, I am not committing a mortal sin. My parents always told me that if I was of legal age and partook in a few alcoholic beverages in moderation that was okay (and we're Southern Baptist, too- which some may disagree and say no alcohol at all, but this was how I was raised). I'm not saying that my beliefs are the right ones or the wrong ones, but I don't need someone standing on the corner shoving a Bible in my face and basically implying that I am going to Hell for even being in a bar.

The worst part of it all, though, and the part that really made me irate was the fact that at 10:00 on a Saturday night in an area filled with bars and people drinking, there was a child holding up one of their signs. If I had to guess the little boy was about 8 or 9. Now, if these people are so moral and righteous, then one would think they would have more parenting skills than to use their child in this way...at 10:00 at night when he should have been in bed resting for church the next morning. There is no way I would ever take a child and submit him to the kinds of things I know people yell at them. I am sure there were things that a child should not hear, and to have a kid out on the corner in an area filled with bars seems negligent to me. I know they were trying to use the child to make people listen, but I find this to be just as bad, if not worse, than people partaking in a few alcoholic beverages.

I was outraged, to say the least. I, of course, did not say anything, but it has really been under my skin since Saturday night.

What are your thoughts about this? Do you feel that these people crossed a line?

26 comments:

  1. I'm also a Christian, but I think these people do us all disservice. I became a Christian later in life and it was not people yelling things at me outside of Football Games or Bars that changed my heart -- it was personal relationships and the message of God's grace. Thanks for the post!

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  2. As my father always said, "everything in moderation." That goes for ice cream and religion. I just don't have the patience for radicals on any issue.

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  3. I think some people take it to far. We have people like that in downtown Tampa and Orlando. I remember being in New Orleans on Burbon street and there were guys with signs saying things about drinking, homosexuality and lots of other things being wrong -- it almost turned into a fight. I think it is good to have beliefs and a relationship with God, but not everyone feels the same way and shoving it down their throat while they are drunk or out at night isn't the right way to do it.

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  4. I completely agree that those people crossed the line and used a child to do it. There is a time and a place for everything and I do believe that God wants us as Christians to help bring others to Christ. In saying that, I don't believe it is on a street corner and especially with children late at night. Inviting someone to church, youth group, or a bible study seems much more appropriate in my opinion! Thanks for the post :o)

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  5. I think that is crossing the line. Whatever religion someone chooses to follow is their own decision. No one else has any say in it.

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  6. I completely agree with you girl!! Some people take it to unecessary extrememes!! A drink every now and then is certainly ok and I was reaised souther Baptist too! :)

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  7. I went to OU and those people used to show up on campus all the time. They were unbelievable. Telling us we were going to hell for wearing jeans and calling every other girl a slut or a whore.

    I think my favorite time they showed up was when a bunch of students went and got some poster board and protested back.

    The signs said things like ...

    Have you heard of the golden rule?

    How do you know she's a slut? Are you coveting your neighbors wife?

    I just don't understand how people believe preaching hate is going to get them anywhere?!?!

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  8. I would have ZERO patience for these people and it probably would have been my first instinct to think the same thing about the child they had with them. Why subject a CHILD to an area with college aged kids that are drinking anyways. There were always a lot of kooks like this in Atlanta. I just found your blog and can't wait to read move. I just moved from Atlanta to Germany and I have plenty of time on my hands! I'm hosting a blog giveaway right now if you are interested! It is for a cute monogrammed gift of your choice! www.gleatieanddeaner.blogspot.com

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  9. Ok. I might offend someone too. I think they have gone too far. I am a christian and have a great relationship with the Lord. I do not think that this type of witnessing is what we are suppose to be doing. As Christians, we are suppose to show God's Love. This is not. You can over eat and it is a sin to me.

    Now, the child being out at 10:00 should have been home. He/she was out to late hearing things that he/she should not been expose to it. It will look really good when the child goes back to church and repeat some of the words that were said.

    Sorry that you had to go through. Hope that you have a good week.

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  10. Adults who have a mind of their own protesting is one thing...first amendment and such...but using a child who is innocent and has no ability to make that choice is disgusting! I used to dread those types coming to our campus. How they think they are being messengers of the gospel is beyond me!

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  11. I remember in grad school - a group of people used to drive through campus with a billboard truck showing the dead fetuses of abortions. Even though I have always thought people were entitled to their own opinions, I couldn't help but wonder where basic censorship drew the line...

    -E

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  12. Definitely too far! People like that drive me nuts!

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  13. I remember those people in 5 points. so inappropriate. and the drunk college kids are not the only thing that children shouldn't be exposed to at a young age. the roaming crack addicts are quite a scary sight!

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  14. I truly believe that people who do this suffer from some sort of personality disorder or mental illness. There was a man that used to come to Purdue every year, a couple of times a semester, and stand out there on the green with his wife (who was sitting quietly in a corner looking scared) and his 2 children, yelling at people, calling girls sl*ts because they were wearing shorts or pants, really just being insulting. I'm surprised he didn't get beaten up for it. If someone were to yell the kinds of things he yelled and not use religion as a smokescreen, they'd be arrested or put in a mental hospital. It's terrible, and it gives so many people who are Christians a bad name.

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  15. I absolutely agree that they crossed the line. There is a time and place for that type of behavior and the use of a child that late at night is particularly angering. I'm a Christian as well and think that type of behavior in inappropriate.

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  16. Apparently he got to Columbia by way of Clemson. My daughter mentioned him and the poor little children several times the last couple of weeks. He told a kid she knows that he goes around preaching on college campuses and that he is waiting for somebody to "put their hands" on him so that he can SUE! Can you imagine!!? There are some scary people in this world.

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  17. Ugh. Yeah, I agree with you. Too much. Too far. I was raised Southern Baptist, too, and am still Southern Baptist. I don't know why they think the college students are going to get anything positive from their method of witnessing. When I was in college we would go to New Orleans a lot. There were always these guys on Bourbon Street-- and I'd always end up quoting scripture right back to them and telling them that I wasn't doing anything wrong for walking down Bourbon Street with a drink in my hand and that they knew NOTHING about me to judge me. :)

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  18. I totally agree with you. That draws people away from The Lord, not to Him.

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  19. I went to school at UT and we definitely had people like this. For the most part I always ignored them. One day I was feeling really stressed (aka not happy) and this guy was so pushy and actually pushed a bible in my face. I stopped, looked at him with a smile and said "No thank you sir. I am a christian and my mother is an ordained methodist minister." He became so angry and started to scream in my face about how my mother and I were going to hell because women are not meant to lead a church. I was afraid at one point he was going to become physically violent.

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  20. Wow. Not only do I think it's not gaining any ground by preaching to college kids at 10 p.m. on a Sat. night, it's hideous to me that they would bring a child with them. Kids need an early bedtime and lots of sleep in order to grow their bodies and their brains. Plus, what goes on on the streets after dark may not be too terrible, but it certainly isn't appropriate for a child to see. I can't imagine they are worried about their child's growth and development though- they seem more concerned with being witnesses for a God of fear and hate rather than for the God that I worship- the one who does not condemn.

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  21. i totally agree with ya! i think it is really too bad that they do that because what they are really doing is turning people away from God, which I think is so sad. and to have a little one out there too! i feel bad for them too...

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  22. I'm with you on this one...

    Do people like that not realise that by being so agressive they are harming their own cause? Faith is personal.

    Whatever happened to love, understanding and tolerance?

    x

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  23. I completely agree with you. While I truly believe that my faith/religion is the "best" for me, I am not going to shove it down someone else's throat. And involving children at 10pm? Stupid. There is nothing like instilling ignorance and intolerance in your children at a young age...

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  24. These people make true followers of Christ look really bad. They go absolutely too far and sometimes this is the only 'image' of Christ some people will see, which is judgmental, harsh, condemning, etc. which is not at all who our God is. It really makes me sick.

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  25. Was it Micah Armstrong? That was the guy that was in Clemson. He travels with his wife and I really don't know how she puts up with his crap. He says that "women have two places: in front of the sink and behind the vacuum." If Clay said that, I'd smack him.

    We saw a group of those "bible-beaters" in Indiana on our way to the Indy 500. Mind you- I had a Camelbak full of liquor strapped to my back. I walked up and offered one a beer. It shut him up for about 10 seconds and it was so worth it.

    I really don't get it though. I've always found the pushing your religion on someone else to be annoying. I understand freedom of speech, but there's a point when it goes to far. I guess we just have to be thankful there isn't a ton of those guys to walk to street corners everyday.

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